@ the Silm fandom
stop assuming Elwing was suicidal, stop assuming she was a bad mother, or Silmaril crazy, or that she wanted to desert her sons.
if you can extrapolate from the canonical evidence that Skilledhair Firesoul over there was a complex and sympathetic character with valid motivations, if you can make the legitimate argument – which I’ve heard, actually – that he did nothing wrong even including Alqualondë and the slaughter? you can extrapolate that Elwing Dioriel was not some kind of awful terrible person who abandoned her kids to die selfishly with the cursed jewelry. all we know is that she jumped. we don’t know that she wanted to die. we don’t know that she assumed the jump would be lethal. we don’t even know if she knew she was going to shapeshift (and considering she’s got Maiarin blood it’s a good fucking bet she had some kind of clue). how is it somehow Wrong to say, for example, that she recognized Maedhros and Maglor as the family members of the people who (as far as she knew) murdered her brothers and destroyed her childhood home and decided that Elrond and Elros were at least going to be alive if they were hostages?
What if, realizing that her enemies had killed children before when presented with the threat of not getting this particular jewel, and building on that information and the memory of Doriath that even if she cooperated they might still kill her and her boys anyway, she decided to remove herself from the equation and set up a scenario wherein her children were literally more valuable alive than dead? (After all, if she’s gone with the Jewel they can always negotiate. It’s not ideal, but this way, no one fucking dies.) What if she knew it was a terrible chance but it was the only way she, with her limited knowledge of Fëanorian social skills/past deeds, could see a way for her boys to even glimpse the possibility of living? How is this not possible?
how is it somehow more logical to assume she’s just the local crazy lady who is a worse parent than the guys who kidnapped the children in question? longtime followers will know I love Maedhros and Maglor, and I think that raising the boys and growing to love them in their own way was not entirely terrible, but
come on.
I agree with this, for the most part, but I don’t think it would even make her terrible if she /had/ jumped intending to die.
Like, the Feanorians killed her family and destroyed her homeland before, despair isn’t at all an unreasonable response to them coming back.No I’m ten thousand percent with you on that too.
I’ve been suicidal, more than once. My sympathies lie with her regardless of her motivations in jumping, and even if she did make a Bad (for a given value, of course, of “bad”) Decision that doesn’t make her a Bad Mother or a Bad Person. My issue is that everyone automatically assumes that she was doing one specific thing, which strikes me both as kind of sexist considering the massive amounts of meta/reinterpretation/headcanon surrounding other characters who’ve made decisions detrimental to the psychological wellbeing of their children and as kind of offensive to those of us who’ve been suicidal or are dealing with serious mental illnesses – are we automatically going to get hated because of decisions we’ve made in the grip of those illnesses?
Basically I’d like there to at least be room for “Elwing wasn’t being a bad mom” discussions without somebody turning it into a “Maedhros and Maglor were better parents!” argument.
Tag: silmarillion
You’re giving him a second chance, or I’m going to stand here and sing ‘The Song That Never Ends’ until you wish you could die too. Nobody said you had to weep from sadness.
– Lúthien Tinuviel, during her trip to Mandos, the Silmarillion, Of Beren and Lúthien
I interrupt your regularly scheduled Black Sails posting to bring you something that is absolutely all of my Helcaraxë feels in one song.
I will stir up in England some black storm
Shall blow ten thousand souls to heaven or hell
What were the Silmarils made of?
Here’s one totally crazy theory, but please bear with me.
It has always seemed strange to me that not even Aule, the master smith himself, who knows everything about the substances of which the Earth is made, doesn’t know what material was used in the crafting of the Silmarils. Because the text does say:
“But not until the End, when Fëanor shall return who perished ere the Sun was made, and sits now in the Halls of Awaiting and comes no more among his kin; not until the Sun passes and the Moon falls, shall it be known of what substance they were made.” (Silm)
And, even though, it doesn’t say: ‘Not even Aule knew.’, we can conclude that not even he knew, because not even Melkor knew (he actually lied that he had a hand in making them, and later stole them – if that doesn’t spell out impotent jealousy…), and Melkor was ‘very similar in mind to Aule’, right?
How’s that possible? How’s it possible that neither Melkor nor Aule knew? Doesn’t it lead you to the conclusion that perhaps Silmarils weren’t made, not only of any known substance, but perhaps not of any substance (meaning matter)? What if, similar to Melkor, who cannot control light, Aule’s field of expertise also includes just matter, but not light, and this is the reason of his ignorance?
What if the process of making the Silmarils is actually the reverse of what we usually think it is? What if the flame (light) that emanates from inside them was the first thing, and then what seems to us a crystal that contains the flame (light), is actually an emanation of the flame?
Because, diamonds actually do appear in candle flame (visible in the whiteness of it) albeit for a very short time – “a burning candle flame creates diamond nanoparticles at a rate of 1.5 million per second”. This was proved by Wuzong Zhou, and hinted by M. F. in his own moment of inspired observation.
You can read a post about that here http://sciencesoup.tumblr.com/post/41822117390/a-diamond-in-the-flame-the-candle-was-invented.
Well, when I’ve read that (and at that time, I was just searching for stuff about M. Faraday), Feanor and the Silmarils immediately jumped to my mind. Why was that? Well, who knows. But a more developed idea occurred to me today, this idea.Because, it kind of fits also with the whole Flame Imperishable thing. The Flame is what makes Arda real, Flame is the Reality, Arda is just a shape.
And who says that Feanor’s work wasn’t also imbued by his philosophy? Well, of course, that’s could be put to debate, but I find these words rather insinuating:
“But not until the End (…)” (Silm)
The End is also when the illusion of shape of Arda will be broken, together with the illusion of the shape of the Silmarils. Silmarils were perhaps meant to represent little Ardas.
Of course, there are a number of things that could be objected to this theory – for example, were the Elves sufficiently advanced, technologically, to make it possible for Feanor to pull this off? Was he able to ensure (or make) all the conditions and tools to make this, by working alone? It is fairly clear that this kind of work would be impossible to pull off in a traditional forge.
However, perhaps even the ordinary crystals the Elves were making (which were made by “skill”, and were not just modified versions of crystals found in nature) could not be so easily made in a traditional forge, especially if they were engineered to have special properties, such as some kind of light manipulation.
There is also the problem of stabilization of light, so that the Silmarils permanently remain in their shape; and of heat.
Of course, lastly you might say, well, there is just no way Tolkien could have known this. And you’re right, there isn’t – but I do believe (perhaps not only falsely, but also stupidly) – that we instinctively know much more about the world than we know consciously, and I do believe that sometimes these truths, to which we usually have no means to come step by step, can nonetheless be glimpsed by our mind in a moment of inspiration. This is how M. Faraday saw the diamond in the candle flame, and this is how Tolkien wrote that Silmarils were not made of any known substance. It is usually those moments of inspiration that we deconstruct and call our discoveries.
When do you think they realized
He says he found a bunch of tiny hairy people in the woods that get wrinkly and die in a few decades. No, I don’t know what he’s been drinking, and yes, I did tell him to sober up and get back here and do his job.
– Galadriel, to her uncle Fingolfin, explaining where exactly her brother Finrod has been these past years, the Silmarillion
Be he cab or truck, be he owned or rental
Family sedan or bright sports car,
Driver or passenger or pedestrian,
Transport yet unfound upon Earth
Neither law, nor cop, nor traffic regulation,
Mileage nor signs, not price of gas itself
Shall defend him from Fëanáro, and Fëanáro’s car
The angriest soccer dad ever.
I love how Manwe’s solution to the unrest of the Noldor and to Melkor’s escape was “we should have a party!”
Maybe he was just desperate? XD
“EHM…! So…! That… Didn’t go well…!! People are upset…! Very upset…!!! We… Ehm… Need to make people happy…!! I know! Parties make people happy!!! Varda! Come! Let’s have a party! That’ll cheer them up!”
That’s literally it though??!
And with the whole Feanor and Fingolfin thing, he was literally like “now, promise not to be mean to each other! pinky swear!”
Sending Feanor to Formenos was basically telling him to sit in a corner and think about what he did, and to come back when he’s ready to apologise.
Naive!Manwe is my fave XD
Also I love how he effectively puts Fëanor in time out, realizes Fëanor is more stubborn than he is, and then summons him back to make him apologize.