Tag: Meg answers

i think you know this already but GOD that scene where flint laughs in the cure for sorrow has stuck with me forever. also i just think of you as a writer who’s really excellent at the long plotty stuff!! <333

Aww, thank you! And I get the added satisfaction of knowing that him laughing and happy having gotten Thomas back is CANON. I love how we all kind of went @ the writers – what if – what if Flint smiled? And then they turned around and gave us so much more.

Also, in birdview shot at the end we see that Oglethorpe and two guards have left. If the money were paid for Thomas’ release, they would still be there waiting to escort them out. Besides, Silver says “men who enter these gates never leave them”. That does not scream “we paid for Thomas’ release, Flint only entered to take him back”. *same anon*

Agreed, although I’m reasonably certain that whatever Silver’s told himself, the only reason Flint allowed himself to be led through those gates was to find out for himself if Thomas was alive. He wouldn’t have taken the chance of not finding out – not about that. Look at the look on his face as they take him out of the shackles – that’s not meek compliance of any kind, that’s a man that thinks it’s cute they think they can control him. 

I don’t understand the notion that the money we saw being paid were for Thomas’ release and that Flint was escorted in chains so he could see with his own eyes that Thomas is alive. It doesn’t make any sense. They didn’t have to bring him inside, they could’ve paid for Thomas’ release while Flint waited outside the gates. It was money paid for Flint’s imprisonment. The looks Morgan and the guard exchanged were like “we brought a prisoner”.

Yeah – I don’t want to rain on anyone’s parade or claim that’s not a valid interpretation, just I can’t put the same conviction that he was in fact being imprisoned there out of my head either. And it’s not that I think that any place would actually succeed in keeping him there – if James Flint wants to leave, he’s leaving with Thomas probably helping him mastermind the escape plan, but they shouldn’t have to fight for their freedom. Like you, though, I can’t shake the suspicion that they’re going to have to (although I’m still grateful that they’re both alive and that we’re left with a story to be told rather than James dead and Thomas either dead or alive but never to see James again. I approve of the fact that I can write fic after fic where they get the hell out of there and they’re all canon compliant in that respect). 

Flint saves Madi AND keeps the cache AND captures Woodes Rogers. In return he gets: at best an imprisoment with his bf, at worst a bullet. Thanks, Silver. You get to live with your wife in the open, Flint gets to live with his bf in the barracks. Madi gets to serve beer to sad ex-pirates, you get to feel sorry for yourself. But it was totally worth it, right? A life like that is totally better than fighting and dying for what you believe in? So much more dignified? Keep telling yourself that.

I couldn’t agree more, Anon. Seriously, Silver? That’s how you thank the man that’s nearly killed himself on your behalf? Thanks for everything, James – only I don’t think you’ve lost enough, say goodbye to your freedom, hope you like your prison barracks (and oh by the way, Thomas, hope you like them too despite having never done anything to deserve getting locked away from the world, here’s your husband back k thx bye)? That’s how you treat the woman you say you love? Love you honey, hope you like how I treated you and your people both, as if you were naughty children who didn’t have the right to make decisions for yourselves. I adore you, truly, that’s why I took your best friend and essentially sold him. Serve the beer? 

No. Fuck him, frankly. I have so many fics that I’m working on to fix this, because dear gods no. I refuse to leave it at James and Thomas being imprisoned together and Madi being forced to the sidelines, living with the man who did this to her and to Flint. Fuck that.

I loved Madi and Flint Madi relationship so much. There was so much respect between them Madi was the only person ever thanked Flint. It was the Flint plan that saved Madi in the 4×10.I do not think Jack and Silver would have been able to beat Rogers without him.But the merits of Flint are never recognized.

Agreed, Anon! Flint does so much and you’re right – there’s a tendency from the other characters to either take Flint’s skills for granted or damn them to hell until they need him and then suddenly it’s “oh, Flint will figure out how to handle this.” (i.e. the harbor defense of Nassau in Season 3) Mind you, the couple of times people try to take the reins and deal with things themselves instead of listening to Flint, things go… badly. Which is part of why we don’t have Vane around by the end of Season 4 (partly. Part of that was his choice and I won’t deny that to him). The moral of the story is that everyone should just listen to Flint instead of arguing with him all the time and then maybe try being a little nicer since he generally knows what he’s doing. 

I’ve read a meta about BS finale, the author thinks that Flint’s revolution failed because Flint chose Thomas .I’m not sure to have watched the same show. What do you think? thanks

To say that Flint chose Thomas is to imply that a choice was offered, when from where I’m sitting, a threat was issued. The “choice” was Thomas and enslavement/imprisonment or death, and when Flint evidently chose death (remember Silver saying that it took great effort to corral him?) even that was denied him (not that I’m not glad about that at least). Just – Silver’s actions were gross no matter how you look at it, and it’s not that Flint made a choice to end his revolution, it’s that that choice was made for him. In what way does being dragged North in chains resemble a choice having been made? 

Madi was also making the decision for her people who we never actually got to see agreeing or disagreeing with it as her word was final. They did not live in a democracy. Her mother was also not amongst the scattered objectors. The first democratically voted decision actually was for the treaty Silver manipulated into play. It would not have been the same as a pirate war. It would have been torture and horror for all slaves, no matter if they wanted it or not.

Agreed. It was a decision that should have been made among the Maroons, and while I can’t blame Madi for refusing the treaty under the circumstances it was offered, once it was in play again, it’s something she needed to consult with her people about. And yes – I’m not sure that things would have played out as she and Flint had intended, for precisely the reasons you mentioned, but again – Silver is not the one whose people had been enslaved, and he sure as hell did not have the right to take away their choice by removing Flint from play. That was not his decision even slightly. Madi and her people all had the right to make an informed decision based on what they had in front of them and all the resources at their command, not based on one man’s manipulative tactics fueled by his fear of losing one person. I’m not saying that this would have gone as planned, just that it was a possibility that could not be ignored and should not have been taken out of their hands by someone who had no stake in the larger cause and every privilege in the world as a white male.

Same anonymous about vane madi flint ecc…You know what?I m almost glad that Rogers will return and destroy the dreams of jack and max …. I say almost because it is sad that once again the so-called civilization triumphs while people like thomas and james are kept out of the world .. sorry I am so angry about all of this

*hugs* no, it’s alright. Believe me, I understand the anger. I don’t have anything against Max especially for not wanting to be part of a war – she’s never wanted anything but peace and she’s really gone out of her way to avoid hurting people where possible, and as for Jack… he’s a clod sometimes but he’s a good egg basically. They’re not the ones I’m angry with – that honor goes to Silver, but yeah, I can understand the frustration and the fury at seeing good people flushed down the metaphorical drain because they wouldn’t knuckle under and do what they were told. At least in Jack and Max’s case they didn’t really pretend to be part of the same cause as Flint and the rest. They were what they were and they were unapologetic about it, but Silver… *clenches fist and teeth* yeah, fuck him. 

If Vane had lived there would have been no long john silver,Vane would fight with Madi and flint and frankly I do not think he would appreciate the jack and max solution for nassau, they are not fighting to destroy the civilization from the inside they have done everything for themselves and fuck all the others.Of course the war would be difficult and there were many dead, but how many people could have been saved and also be freed?I’m sorry but I didn’t like attitude of silver jack and max!!

Oh thank the gods and welcome to the club! I thoroughly agree, Anon. I don’t have anything personal against Max, Anne, or Jack, but you’re right – they’re definitely not fighting for the comfort of anyone but themselves (which is not a criticism of them, particularly, just they’re not Flint, Vane, or Madi in that they don’t look to change the world, just their small corner of it). I think that if Vane were still around there would be a lot of people getting the sense knocked back into them and a great deal of shouting because dear gods he would not be pleased with this. Not one bit, and he and Madi would match each other in that.