Its just that you seem to be a-okay with the amount of black death this war would have cost. After a season showing the cost of this war on slaves in particular (which was far greater than anything that befell the pirates) that culminates with the majority of the maroons voting against the war, Julius and Max pointing out logically why this war won’t end in victory, its very strange why you would still be for it. This is without delving into Flint’s well-outlined moral dubiousness 1/2

2/2 I would suggest reading up on slave rebellions like Morant Bay where the
streets literally ran with​ the blood of slaves who attempted to rise
up agaibst their masters and the generational pain passed down thats
still felt in Jamaica centuries later. Although Black Sails did a great
enough job outlining how prepared pkantations were for uprisings. I am
not defending Silver, but its vital to note that his crimes are against
Flint (somewhat) and Madi and no one else
       
   

I’d argue differently, Anon. Yes, the decision was down to the Maroon people, not only Madi. Yes, they absolutely had the right to see that treaty and make a decision – but they also had the right to make that decision without the aid of a deliberate demoralizing maneuver on the part of Silver. He took Flint out of the war for a specific strategic reason – because he gave Madi and her mother and those that supported them a reason to hope that the war could be won. He was one of their best strategists, an ally that they relied on for his military experience. I’m perfectly aware of the cost of slave rebellions, especially in the Caribbean, thank you. I also believe that those rebellions happened precisely because those rising up knew the risks and still considered death preferable to remaining enslaved. Madi, her mother, and a large cohort of her people seemed to have believed that sacrifice to be acceptable as well, and didn’t they deserve to have that debate without it being undercut by a white man who wanted the war stopped without ever considering the people who could have been freed? If that decision had gone against Madi, I could absolutely accept that, but the interference on Silver’s part – that’s what I can’t forgive.

The thing that makes me most angry at silver is that as he claimed to know and understand flint it was not true .When finally said that the only reason for which flint was fighting with rage, he was so wrong, yes rage is an reason but not the only one. while madi that has known him for less time understood

yeah – whatever issues Silver had, they definitely didn’t come from being marginalized at all, because otherwise he might have understood what they were fighting for. Instead… I just do not understand how he could claim to love Madi or Flint and yet do that to them. I cannot for the life of me figure out how he could possibly think that breaking both of them would in any way be preferable to seeing them killed – it’s the kind of twisted reasoning that you could only get from a man determined that the past shouldn’t mean anything when it absolutely does to everyone but him. I also can’t see how he could claim to care about Flint and quite literally inflict on him what he had feared all along – that he would be forgotten by history, turned into something that he never was, for the convenience of the ones who took his whole life from him.

Same anonymous.You are right about max and jack, although max as a former slave I would have expected a greater understanding. But yes I m so angry with Silver!!!!!

With Max though, there’s nothing to say that she won’t at least make Nassau a place where slavery is outlawed. She’s already refused to use slave labor in her businesses – she’s just going for a small one step at a time approach rather than an all-at-once having seen the kind of struggles and losses and terrible, horrible sacrifices that Flint and Madi and Vane made. It’s a different style, sure, but it’s oriented toward the same goal in the end, at least. I can’t find it in me to fault her for it – she’s been through enough.

Same anonymous about vane madi flint ecc…You know what?I m almost glad that Rogers will return and destroy the dreams of jack and max …. I say almost because it is sad that once again the so-called civilization triumphs while people like thomas and james are kept out of the world .. sorry I am so angry about all of this

*hugs* no, it’s alright. Believe me, I understand the anger. I don’t have anything against Max especially for not wanting to be part of a war – she’s never wanted anything but peace and she’s really gone out of her way to avoid hurting people where possible, and as for Jack… he’s a clod sometimes but he’s a good egg basically. They’re not the ones I’m angry with – that honor goes to Silver, but yeah, I can understand the frustration and the fury at seeing good people flushed down the metaphorical drain because they wouldn’t knuckle under and do what they were told. At least in Jack and Max’s case they didn’t really pretend to be part of the same cause as Flint and the rest. They were what they were and they were unapologetic about it, but Silver… *clenches fist and teeth* yeah, fuck him. 

thomas-hamilton replied to your post “hiddencait replied to your post “It’s been a week, fam, and I’m…”

i thought of this; he excused his actions towards Flint as ‘giving him happiness’ fully knowing that he won’t be a burden that way. why wouldn’t he bring Thomas to Nassau, safe&sound instead of taking Flint to the plantation?

EXACTLY. If he wanted Flint happy, there were much better ways of accomplishing that. He didn’t actually give a crap about that, or he would never have let him suffer any longer than he did. Instead, Silver knew Thomas was alive for weeks and said freaking nothing, even in the face of Flint mentioning the possibility of Thomas being alive. This was not a benevolent gesture – it was a way to get Flint even further away from Nassau, and that he did so by dragging him there in chains just says to me that he had no intention of allowing Flint to ever come back, one way or another. It’s inexcusable in every sense of the word.

tonycurtis replied to your post “It’s been a week, fam, and I’m still reeling and truly,…”

I’m really uncomfortable with how the fandom as a whole is codifying Silver into just someone who ‘loved Flint and gave him a good ending’. It’s………………. It’s honestly making me REALLY uncomfortable.

*hugs* you are not alone, and I’m incredibly happy to be saying that, because I was beginning to think there were no more than three or four of us that hadn’t developed selective amnesia when it came to the manipulative, lying, frankly kind of racist little fuck. If you need to talk, I’m open – I know it was a relief to hear from a few people myself.

hiddencait replied to your post “It’s been a week, fam, and I’m still reeling and truly,…”

Same same same. Like, he betrayed EVERYONE around him for what he decided was best, completely without anyone else’s input and without respect for anyone else’s ability to make their own decisions. In the end, he was still the same manipulative, ultimately selfish person he originally was. Sure he now had people he wanted the “best” for, but it was only on his terms and by his definition of “best.”

thank you, and amen! Betraying everything someone stands for and saying it’s for their own good is not love. It’s not any version of love, and that’s not even touching on the other gross shit he’s done, like not telling Flint that Thomas was alive immediately, and potentially selling him to that damn plantation, and then there’s a whole laundry list of other things. Just…. beyond yuck. *shudder* No. Fuck him. 

jadedbirch replied to your post “It’s been a week, fam, and I’m still reeling and truly,…”

Poodle is on my shit list too. I’m gonna make him suffer a lot in fic before I can even stomach him being around my son again.

*hugs* same. It’s taken me a week to get to the point where I can even write without getting rage static on this because I am SO ANGRY at him. Angry isn’t even the word – I’m not sure furious even approaches it, really. I need a word for “utter disgust enmeshed inseparably with the urgent desire to obliterate the object of that disgust.” 

Hey fam – just a notice. I’ve officially sorted out my feelings on the finale, I’m in writing mode again, and I have a new tag for anyone that wants to avoid my feelings on Silver for the time being or agrees with me. The tag is John Silver critical – I’m tagging everything, I’m not even putting Black Sails on those posts, so please, no name-calling/attacks because I don’t like him. I’m trying to handle my anger like a mature adult on my own blog and I’m happy to let you have your own corner of the fandom while I have mine and if we all do this right, never the twain shall meet.