um ok so ive been thinking about this and dont have any definite answers for now so. what do you think thomas is like now, post-canon, after those 10 years? i am so in love w james and him reuniting and learning to love each other for the people they’ve become but in thomas’ case i’m not exactly sure Who that person is.

keensers:

WELL anon you certainly don’t fuck around. that’s a very good question and i’m afraid i’m going to give a not-particularly-satisfactory answer, but the only answer i have is this: i think his key qualities have largely remained the same. just as i think “flint” has always been a part of “mcgraw” and separating the two is impossible (star trek tos 1.05 “the enemy within,” anyone?) i also think that thomas post-finale is still idealistic, manipulative, snarky, sort of a dick, and also incredibly kind. what has probably changed is the RATIO of those things – i think now he probably thinks a little more before speaking. his edges are probably sharper and less polished. the ratio of “being a dick” to “being a kind person” in particular has probably tilted slightly in favor of being a dick after having almost everything torn away from him. his idealism has probably taken the most major hit, though not a fatal one (hope is such a strange, insidious thing). my personal headcanon is that he’s come to terms with the notion of incremental change mostly because he’s HAD to; i think if you put him next to flint at the head of that army in season 4, he’d damn well still lead it (dreams, too, are insidious things).

but essentially all we know about thomas in those “lost years” is that 1. he probably did spend SOME time in bethlem and 2. he’s been on that plantation for at least a few years (likely since peter’s ‘lmao he’s dead sry’ letter to james and miranda). we don’t know if he knew that james and miranda were alive (probably not), we don’t know if he ever tried to escape (maybe), we don’t even know for sure who got him to that plantation in the first place (peter? his dad? some combination of the two? hennessey??? jk that’s too wild a conspiracy theory even for me). WE KNOW NOTHING! so i’m gonna go with the notion that “nothing so fundamental changes so quickly” – obviously, ten years isn’t “changing quickly” but i don’t think he’s a Different Person. i think we can safely draw a line from 1705 to 1716 and project a moderately-but-not-entirely changed person; the reason we CAN draw that line is that 1716 thomas was 1705 thomas once.

i also feel pretty comfortable in saying that he probably did a lot of soul-searching in bethlem and then on the plantation (e.g. “was i wrong? was my plan really that crazy? was it worth the sacrifices we made?”), and landed on “i wasn’t wrong, i wasn’t crazy, the world was wrong for the sacrifices it forced on me, and society was crazy for deeming me so.”
his whole credo of “know no shame” surely comes from his own bloody-minded self-assuredness, that whole “i see the goal and i see the path and by god i’m going to walk it until i get there and i don’t care what anyone thinks of that” thing. and, as i said in this meta earlier, thomas is an idealist with a mile-wide stubborn streak. the thomas we saw in flashbacks wouldn’t fold, and he wouldn’t give up, he would get fucking angry. unlike james, though, whose anger means to (and almost does) set england on fire, i think thomas would far more quietly sharpen his own anger into a new plan, a new goal, a new path. i think he and james are getting the hell off that plantation and i think thomas is going right back to his world-saving, just from a position of more caution and significantly less influence. (but that’s okay. he’ll build it back up.)

old-long-john:

ellelan:

old-long-john:

I’m suddenly having horrible parallel feelings about that scene between Flint and Silver on the island, and the scene in season one when Flint killed Gates. 

“This is not what i wanted.”

Season one, the captain kills his quartermaster to keep his fight alive. Season four, the quartermaster ‘kills’ his captain, to bring it to an end. 

“What did you do?”

“What was necessary.”

Silver paid a heavy price for his betrayals,but with that he purchased these happy endings for all of them-from Flint to Max to Jack and Anne to Maroons and the rest of pirates.He stopped the war and there was an only way to do so-he had to stop Flint.At the beginning of 410 Flint told him and Jack about the unstoppable war he is planning.There was no other way.Silver could have him killed,he could easily arrange it but he chose to ‘retire’ him and reunite with Thomas.End his decade of hell and that nightmare he lived in,drag him in chains to Savannah…but alive and slowly regaining sanity.What Silver did was indeed mercy and I couldn’t agree more with you if I tried.He did that out of love,for both Flint and Madi.War is glorious and his motives were selfish,but choosing life over death of loved ones is not wrong.

‘War is glorious and his motives were selfish,but choosing life over death of loved ones is not wrong.’

So much this. I feel desperately sorry for Madi, and I doubt Silver or I will ever truly understand the scale of the things she was willing to die fighting for, but he did what he did out of love. Whether or not it was his right to make that choice, and whether or not it was selfish or selfless or some tangled mix of the two, his motivations stemmed from a place of goodness. He isn’t a monster. He’s a man who has endured such deep torments and pains that he couldn’t bear to speak of them to his best friend in the entire world. I can’t stand to see him demonised for trying to spare the people he loves painful and tormented ends, even if the cost was great. 

#yehehehehes #defend my curly son#I am so conflicted and angry and frustrated and saddened and happy and hopeful about this ending all at once#but this is the reason#despite all my anger for the fact that Flint was cast away to suffer under the same yoke he’d despised for years#that I could not cancel my sea poodle #I understood his motives #but#a guilded cage is still a cage #and James flint still deserved better#if John truly wanted to retire Flint#he could have just purchased Thomas’s freedom#but perhaps he couldn’t trust a ‘free Flint’#which is silly because he said himself the man changed once they got closer to Savannah#and a free McGraw should have been just fine #I’m rambling#anyway yes I defend my trash son but do not forgive him his betrayal#he could have walked away#instead he made decisions for everyone effectively becoming the very thing he hated#a tyrant #is it too early to start drinking? #long John fucking Silver#black sails meta via @crucifythenburn