In the Gold of Day – DreamingPagan, Sirenswhisper – Black Sails [Archive of Our Own]

Chapters: 1/1
Fandom: Black Sails
Rating: Mature
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Relationships: Hal Gates/Admiral Hennessey
Characters: Hal Gates, Admiral Hennessey (Black Sails)
Additional Tags: part of the With the Gold Dawn’s Breaking verse, Hennessey and Gates have been apart a long time, they deserve to get to reconnect, Gates is Avery, and Hennessey knows it, definitely NSFW
Series: Part 2 of Journey’s End
Summary:

Gates and Hennessey are reunited and proceed to make use of the officers’ quarters in the warship. Extra scene for With the Gold Dawn’s Breaking.

In the Gold of Day – DreamingPagan, Sirenswhisper – Black Sails [Archive of Our Own]

Hey, I was just curious to hear more of your thoughts on the writers intent re the plantation? It’s something I’ve felt conflicted over since I watched the ending (yes, I’ve been conflicted about this going on an entire year now). I know where I stand (I think your thoughts line up pretty closely with mine), but the lack of clarity over whether or not the writers felt that the plantation was actually not such a bad place is the one thing about the ending that left me slightly uncomfortable

flintsredhair:

flintsredhair:

2/To add to my previous ask, I never actually read any of the writers interviews after watching the finale, mostly because I just wanted to sit with my own thoughts and feelings about it and I’m generally a fan of death of the author, so my vague idea of what they have said is largely out of context quotes from people on tumblr. Right after I watched the finale it didn’t actually occur to me that the plantation could be interpreted as anything but completely awful

Honestly – I think the writers did something… not very subtle at all with the end of the show and the plantation and I think that what I have a problem with is not what they wrote but with the way that people didn’t really dig into what’s there in the show. I haven’t read too many creator interviews because I’m very much of the school where the author is dead and what is in the show is what I spend my time on. Anything else is just too exhausting, and having come to Black Sails from the Tolkien fandom, I’ve learned my lesson about “well Tolkien said this,” because let me tell you that man contradicted himself a lot. So – bottom line, I see the plantation as a negative that is being painted as a positive by two people in the show who have very, very good reasons to lie to themselves about what they’re doing to other people. We hear that the plantation is a place where people are sent to be taken care of from Max, and we hear from Silver that it’s a place where people go to disappear. 

Unfortunately, in both of these cases, we’re also presented with the knowledge that the person speaking is speaking to someone they need to have on their side. Max is speaking to Silver, who has her as a captive in an upstairs room of the tavern. She can’t afford to tell him that she was planning on seeing him enslaved as the perceived lesser of two evils because who sits there and hears that and doesn’t get furious at the person who planned to do that to them? She also needs to believe, for her own peace of mind, that she WAS choosing the lesser evil, I think. I think Silver needs that same belief so he can live with himself at the end of the story, and I think that Madi is there specifically for us to see the hypocrisy of the story that both Silver and Max are telling themselves. It’s the ultimate callout, really – Silver is standing there telling his BLACK FORMER SLAVE girlfriend that he sold her friend, essentially, and then asking her to believe him when he says that he did right. We also have the metaphor about strangling the cat earlier in the show, and I think we’re meant to see that analogy in use with the plantation, and see the horror of both situations. In a just world, the cat would not get strangled. The abusive bastard husband who is beating his child for being kind would be the one punished. Similarly, in James’ case, in a just world, he would not be punished for effectively yowling at the door – for fighting for a better world. Instead, the institution that created the problem he’s fighting should be torn down, but instead, Silver elects to strangle the cat as the simplest way to make what he sees as an untenable situation stop without any real justice. I think what the writers put out there is pretty clear – the plantation is not a good place. It’s not a just place. It’s a solution – but not a good one or a pretty one (in fact it’s what I’d call a fucking disgusting one). Look at the way they say that there’s tragedy to what’s been done at the end of the show – they’re saying that what happens to James and Thomas isn’t right, and I have to agree with them. It isn’t. 

#i understand why certain characters in the show want to believe or present the plantation as a good place#but for me as a member of the audience it would be impossible to see it that way#it’s not a good place and it isn’t right or just to put people like thomas there#enslaved for his entire life for the ‘crime’ of Having Opinions While Gay#it’s absurd to me to think that that place could be anything but completely revolting#i mean sure it was better than bethlem#but that’s setting the bar so low it’s in the mariana trench#the very idea of some people being human debris that should be locked away for their entire lives is appalling#and it makes me feel uncomfortable that apparently some people watching the show think that it’s a pretty good place#for people like james and thomas#:(#i mean…#it’s interesting the way some characters defend that place#but i think we as the audience should think for ourselves and see the place for what it is#instead of relying on a character’s word for it#especially when the characters have very good reasons to claim the plantation is a much better place than it is#black sails#meta via @blacksailsflint

#bs spoilers#consider this: thomas was not only a lover to james but a symbol of what drove his fight throughout the years#to be truthful of oneself to know no shame in one’s truth and to insist against all sanity a world of forgiveness in fault and need possible#to have the story concluse with that very symbol (not just to james but to the show and viewers once he’s shown in flashbacks) IN A GAY MAN#hidden. enslaved. wrung out. erased. is heartbreaking. and to put him in the embrace of his lover’s arms after a decade of it#a man who himself became the symbol of the insistent fight for those v things thomas is is NOT RESOLVE?? IT’S WORSE??#to have hope and fight symbolized by 2 gay men lie together in the dark unknown unexplored and subdued into nonexistence is soft finaldefeat#how in the FUCK does anyone watch this ending and think#enslaving two gay men to lifetime of secluded labor is GOOD FOR THEM?? is REWARDING??#(labor for the very empire that shunned them robbed them of their love for one another and those who’ve been denied it most by civilization)#how in the fuck is ensurinf james and thomas’ disappearance from known society and the snuffing out of their core just cause#that was the drive of the entirety of their fucking narrative#a GOOD ending??#it’s tragic and maddeningly painful it ACHES with unfinishedness#there is nothing beautiful or resolved about it#the only balm was thomas the only reason james mind calmed its burning in the last scene is thomas#but if you think both of them trapped and in one another’s arms as they are are CONTENT you have MISSED THE SHOW#they fought bc they wanted to fight for the world and the world told them the comfort they take in one another’s hands while facing it#will be their downfall#but their first fight was not against shame but injustice#and england correlated their justice to what is they made shameful#i just…don’t understand how anyone can look at this story of two gay men who fought first and foremost and ONLY for the justice of others#and think they’d find satisfaction in only one another’s arms??#both pairs of hands are ones that won’t rest till they tug at justice by the neck and place it at the mercy of the oppressed#this is not a happy ending it’s just not a dead one#i gotta stop but i’m still REELINF with the horror of this conclusion#the writers’ attempted balm is kind but the honesty of the horror is harrowing#civilization needs its monsters

jamesflintmcgrawhamilton:

tikkunolamorgtfo:

I’ve had so many completely amorphous, disorganised thoughts about Billy recently. He had two pivotal moments in his life that defined him going forward, both involving the choice to engage in acts of violent revenge. The first leads him to believe he’s unredeemable in his father’s eyes, yet he never seems to contemplate how his outrage at the lack of loyalty and respect he receives when plying his father’s trade might make him more of a disappointment as a son than murder. It makes me wonder if Billy was every moral—if he ever truly cared about fighting imperialism—or if he was more driven by anger over being denied personal respect. On one hand, he does make lots of comments about his brothers and communal safety, but then he abandons those ideals as soon as they community fails to respect his choices. This certainly jives well with the Billy we see in Treasure Island, as a bitter drunkard revelling in his past glory, though the novel also implies that Billy has been rolling with Silver and co. for years—until stealing map after Savannah, which is hard to picture given what happens between Billy, Silver, and Madi. 

I don’t know, none of these observations have a point, it’s just been sticking with me a lot lately. 

#i don’t *like* Billy but he’s a really interesting character#and maybe it’s because I was spoiled about a lot of things#but even in the beginning i never read Billy as the pure cinnamon roll a lot of people apparently did#and it’s interesting that he was ok with flint’s plan when it involved sacking cities#but balked when it became about a broader and more inclusive freedom#he was always mistrustful of the maroons#and i feel like#maybe because he was so young when he was taken from his parents#he was never genuinely able to understand what sort of ideals they would have actually stood for#and he has such a rigid and black and white sense of morality#that it makes sense that he eventually turned on everyone because nobody is going to be able to remain in the ‘good’ category forever#so they all become enemies to him#i’m just rambling at this point#but he really is actually a very interesting character (via @pirateshelly

pirateshelly:

It’s funny how often when I see people watching black sails for the first time without spoilers their assumption is that from the start of season 3 the plot trajectory is going to be Flint’s ~descent into villainy~. And I understand making that assumption because that’s kind of what you expect from seemingly dark and gritty fiction, but thank god that’s not the kind of story it is. Like, imagine how boring that would have been? 

The start of season 3 is arguably Flint’s lowest point, but then he reemerges from that and grows past it. It’s not a gradual build up to some terrible and unforgivable act of villainy that would solidify his place as the terrifying monster spoken about in treasure island. It’s not actually the origin story of a villain, it’s the origin of a story of a villain; a person who against all odds wants to believe in the possibility of a better world vs. the monster the world says that he is.

I will never be over how, against all expectations and assumptions (and terrible misleading advertising), this show managed to be so human and so subtly but profoundly optimistic. And it exasperates me so much that some people watch through to the end and STILL somehow manage to find the most blandly cynical interpretations of it (Flint was just an egomaniac who needed to be stopped, Silver murdered him and the ending wasn’t real etc.) and act like it’s actually the sort of story that it’s really just deconstructing.