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Do you think Flint killed Thomas’ mother? I do not think is true, first of all the actress is too young and then in the credits she is listed as a young mistress.I always thought she was the mistress of Alfred Hamilton.What do you think?

Yeah – the credits list her as the mistress, so I tend to go with Thomas’ mother either having been safely back at home or dead when Flint killed Alfred. Not that that makes it any better, but at least Thomas might have had one parent that wasn’t completely awful.

“every privilege in the world as a white male” – Except Silver is quite visibly disabled. Also, I think we often neglect the impact that classism had in the 18th century, when the aristocracy was still alive and well in the West. So no, Silver doesn’t have all of those privileges. That’s not to say that Silver ISN’T better off than a one of the Underhill’s slaves or one of Madi’s people; but I don’t think it’s fair to ignore these things, either.

It’s a point. Silver might not have everything or even close, but he did have a great many advantages that Madi or her father would not have had in so-called civilized society, making the war for freedom very much not his war in that if it died then and there, he could still move around in the world very much as he had up to that point, whereas for Madi and her people, if the war ended, it meant something quite different. I’m not going to keep squabbling over this, Anon. Quite simply, Silver made a decision that was not his to make by taking away a choice that was previously in play, and yes I do think it was a shitty thing to do and a form of crime against the entire Maroon people, not just Madi, because while the war might have had a price that was too high to pay, it was their decision whether or not to pay that price, not his.

Madi was also making the decision for her people who we never actually got to see agreeing or disagreeing with it as her word was final. They did not live in a democracy. Her mother was also not amongst the scattered objectors. The first democratically voted decision actually was for the treaty Silver manipulated into play. It would not have been the same as a pirate war. It would have been torture and horror for all slaves, no matter if they wanted it or not.

Agreed. It was a decision that should have been made among the Maroons, and while I can’t blame Madi for refusing the treaty under the circumstances it was offered, once it was in play again, it’s something she needed to consult with her people about. And yes – I’m not sure that things would have played out as she and Flint had intended, for precisely the reasons you mentioned, but again – Silver is not the one whose people had been enslaved, and he sure as hell did not have the right to take away their choice by removing Flint from play. That was not his decision even slightly. Madi and her people all had the right to make an informed decision based on what they had in front of them and all the resources at their command, not based on one man’s manipulative tactics fueled by his fear of losing one person. I’m not saying that this would have gone as planned, just that it was a possibility that could not be ignored and should not have been taken out of their hands by someone who had no stake in the larger cause and every privilege in the world as a white male.

Its just that you seem to be a-okay with the amount of black death this war would have cost. After a season showing the cost of this war on slaves in particular (which was far greater than anything that befell the pirates) that culminates with the majority of the maroons voting against the war, Julius and Max pointing out logically why this war won’t end in victory, its very strange why you would still be for it. This is without delving into Flint’s well-outlined moral dubiousness 1/2

2/2 I would suggest reading up on slave rebellions like Morant Bay where the
streets literally ran with​ the blood of slaves who attempted to rise
up agaibst their masters and the generational pain passed down thats
still felt in Jamaica centuries later. Although Black Sails did a great
enough job outlining how prepared pkantations were for uprisings. I am
not defending Silver, but its vital to note that his crimes are against
Flint (somewhat) and Madi and no one else
       
   

I’d argue differently, Anon. Yes, the decision was down to the Maroon people, not only Madi. Yes, they absolutely had the right to see that treaty and make a decision – but they also had the right to make that decision without the aid of a deliberate demoralizing maneuver on the part of Silver. He took Flint out of the war for a specific strategic reason – because he gave Madi and her mother and those that supported them a reason to hope that the war could be won. He was one of their best strategists, an ally that they relied on for his military experience. I’m perfectly aware of the cost of slave rebellions, especially in the Caribbean, thank you. I also believe that those rebellions happened precisely because those rising up knew the risks and still considered death preferable to remaining enslaved. Madi, her mother, and a large cohort of her people seemed to have believed that sacrifice to be acceptable as well, and didn’t they deserve to have that debate without it being undercut by a white man who wanted the war stopped without ever considering the people who could have been freed? If that decision had gone against Madi, I could absolutely accept that, but the interference on Silver’s part – that’s what I can’t forgive.

The thing that makes me most angry at silver is that as he claimed to know and understand flint it was not true .When finally said that the only reason for which flint was fighting with rage, he was so wrong, yes rage is an reason but not the only one. while madi that has known him for less time understood

yeah – whatever issues Silver had, they definitely didn’t come from being marginalized at all, because otherwise he might have understood what they were fighting for. Instead… I just do not understand how he could claim to love Madi or Flint and yet do that to them. I cannot for the life of me figure out how he could possibly think that breaking both of them would in any way be preferable to seeing them killed – it’s the kind of twisted reasoning that you could only get from a man determined that the past shouldn’t mean anything when it absolutely does to everyone but him. I also can’t see how he could claim to care about Flint and quite literally inflict on him what he had feared all along – that he would be forgotten by history, turned into something that he never was, for the convenience of the ones who took his whole life from him.

Same anonymous.You are right about max and jack, although max as a former slave I would have expected a greater understanding. But yes I m so angry with Silver!!!!!

With Max though, there’s nothing to say that she won’t at least make Nassau a place where slavery is outlawed. She’s already refused to use slave labor in her businesses – she’s just going for a small one step at a time approach rather than an all-at-once having seen the kind of struggles and losses and terrible, horrible sacrifices that Flint and Madi and Vane made. It’s a different style, sure, but it’s oriented toward the same goal in the end, at least. I can’t find it in me to fault her for it – she’s been through enough.

Same anonymous about vane madi flint ecc…You know what?I m almost glad that Rogers will return and destroy the dreams of jack and max …. I say almost because it is sad that once again the so-called civilization triumphs while people like thomas and james are kept out of the world .. sorry I am so angry about all of this

*hugs* no, it’s alright. Believe me, I understand the anger. I don’t have anything against Max especially for not wanting to be part of a war – she’s never wanted anything but peace and she’s really gone out of her way to avoid hurting people where possible, and as for Jack… he’s a clod sometimes but he’s a good egg basically. They’re not the ones I’m angry with – that honor goes to Silver, but yeah, I can understand the frustration and the fury at seeing good people flushed down the metaphorical drain because they wouldn’t knuckle under and do what they were told. At least in Jack and Max’s case they didn’t really pretend to be part of the same cause as Flint and the rest. They were what they were and they were unapologetic about it, but Silver… *clenches fist and teeth* yeah, fuck him. 

If Vane had lived there would have been no long john silver,Vane would fight with Madi and flint and frankly I do not think he would appreciate the jack and max solution for nassau, they are not fighting to destroy the civilization from the inside they have done everything for themselves and fuck all the others.Of course the war would be difficult and there were many dead, but how many people could have been saved and also be freed?I’m sorry but I didn’t like attitude of silver jack and max!!

Oh thank the gods and welcome to the club! I thoroughly agree, Anon. I don’t have anything personal against Max, Anne, or Jack, but you’re right – they’re definitely not fighting for the comfort of anyone but themselves (which is not a criticism of them, particularly, just they’re not Flint, Vane, or Madi in that they don’t look to change the world, just their small corner of it). I think that if Vane were still around there would be a lot of people getting the sense knocked back into them and a great deal of shouting because dear gods he would not be pleased with this. Not one bit, and he and Madi would match each other in that. 

I’ve been reading a lot of comments saying that Flint lied to everyone that they are only going to free Nassau and that’s it. But that’s not true at all? In his speech to Maroon Queen he literally says, “I am suggesting that we help each other start taking things back, and it starts with Nassau.” Nassau was always a starting point, not an end point. Nassau was supposed to be the beginning of widespread rebellion across the New World. He was always clear about that.

… the man literally wanted to move to sack Boston after they had set up new bases of operations. He was planning a rebellion on a scale no one had ever seen before – if he hadn’t been, Silver might not have betrayed him. If he and Madi had had their way, there wouldn’t have been a slave plantation left in the Colonies, or anywhere else in the New World for that matter. I’m not sure how people aren’t getting that?