Madi Appreciation Week – Hair/Outfit/Anything Appreciation
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Re the other anon. Here’s my stance on the Savannah thing, from almost a year ago. So if Treasure Island is not canon and a story based on stories and so on, that’s just based on the pirate’s last info that he would have been in Savannah, so even if parts of TI are true then that’s what that info would have been based off. Meanwhile they’re off staging a revolution with Madi somewhere
That sounds like a good take on it to me, Anon! I just can’t picture the Madi that I know bowing down and letting that happen to her friend – I can’t. She and James understood each other, they respected each other, they had each other’s back – he saved her life, for fuck’s sake, which is not to say that she owes him for doing the right thing, but it’s to say that there’s a lot more between them than just being allies in the same war. I like to think that she went up to the cliff to tell Silver that if he won’t leave her island, then she will, and then went to go find James and Thomas, because I’m not sure how she could bear to do anything else. I know I certainly couldn’t.
Hey, I was just curious to hear more of your thoughts on the writers intent re the plantation? It’s something I’ve felt conflicted over since I watched the ending (yes, I’ve been conflicted about this going on an entire year now). I know where I stand (I think your thoughts line up pretty closely with mine), but the lack of clarity over whether or not the writers felt that the plantation was actually not such a bad place is the one thing about the ending that left me slightly uncomfortable
2/To add to my previous ask, I never actually read any of the writers interviews after watching the finale, mostly because I just wanted to sit with my own thoughts and feelings about it and I’m generally a fan of death of the author, so my vague idea of what they have said is largely out of context quotes from people on tumblr. Right after I watched the finale it didn’t actually occur to me that the plantation could be interpreted as anything but completely awful
Honestly – I think the writers did something… not very subtle at all with the end of the show and the plantation and I think that what I have a problem with is not what they wrote but with the way that people didn’t really dig into what’s there in the show. I haven’t read too many creator interviews because I’m very much of the school where the author is dead and what is in the show is what I spend my time on. Anything else is just too exhausting, and having come to Black Sails from the Tolkien fandom, I’ve learned my lesson about “well Tolkien said this,” because let me tell you that man contradicted himself a lot. So – bottom line, I see the plantation as a negative that is being painted as a positive by two people in the show who have very, very good reasons to lie to themselves about what they’re doing to other people. We hear that the plantation is a place where people are sent to be taken care of from Max, and we hear from Silver that it’s a place where people go to disappear.
Unfortunately, in both of these cases, we’re also presented with the knowledge that the person speaking is speaking to someone they need to have on their side. Max is speaking to Silver, who has her as a captive in an upstairs room of the tavern. She can’t afford to tell him that she was planning on seeing him enslaved as the perceived lesser of two evils because who sits there and hears that and doesn’t get furious at the person who planned to do that to them? She also needs to believe, for her own peace of mind, that she WAS choosing the lesser evil, I think. I think Silver needs that same belief so he can live with himself at the end of the story, and I think that Madi is there specifically for us to see the hypocrisy of the story that both Silver and Max are telling themselves. It’s the ultimate callout, really – Silver is standing there telling his BLACK FORMER SLAVE girlfriend that he sold her friend, essentially, and then asking her to believe him when he says that he did right. We also have the metaphor about strangling the cat earlier in the show, and I think we’re meant to see that analogy in use with the plantation, and see the horror of both situations. In a just world, the cat would not get strangled. The abusive bastard husband who is beating his child for being kind would be the one punished. Similarly, in James’ case, in a just world, he would not be punished for effectively yowling at the door – for fighting for a better world. Instead, the institution that created the problem he’s fighting should be torn down, but instead, Silver elects to strangle the cat as the simplest way to make what he sees as an untenable situation stop without any real justice. I think what the writers put out there is pretty clear – the plantation is not a good place. It’s not a just place. It’s a solution – but not a good one or a pretty one (in fact it’s what I’d call a fucking disgusting one). Look at the way they say that there’s tragedy to what’s been done at the end of the show – they’re saying that what happens to James and Thomas isn’t right, and I have to agree with them. It isn’t.
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In the various interviews the creators say that Flint had to end up in Savannah because in the treasure island it is said that he died there and they wanted to be faithful to the book. this makes me think that James and Thomas remain at the plantation until death because if they manage to escape I do not understand why they decide to remain Savannah? What is your idea?
Honestly, I can see what the writers were doing. I recognize that they’ve made a decision but I’m also electing to ignore it, because it implies that the two of them stay enslaved for the rest of their lives and nope nope nope that is not in any way, shape, or form something I can see James Flint McGraw allowing to happen to either of them. He loves Thomas far too much to allow him to stay a slave, and likewise Thomas loves James far too much to allow that to happen to him either. I’m going to go with “Treasure Island is quite obviously a fabrication/something we’re not meant to take as canon given some of the other changes made to the narrative in s4,” and assume that James and Thomas either escape or are broken out of the plantation by an irate Madi, because there’s also no way she’d allow them to stay there.
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I’m afraid that the creators have seen it as a positive thing From an tvinsider interview: Was there really a place in the colonies that rich Brits sent their wayward, i.e. gay, children?Levine: The founder of the Savannah colony was a reformer who wanted the colony to reshape how the world treated those deemed as dangerous or different.(1)
(2)That was a basket we could put Thomas in, and then we had the thread to use for Silver to end Flint’s war without necessarily ending Flint. It also helped Flint find his way back to McGraw [the compassionate man he was before his vengeful turn into Flint.] It’s bittersweet; there’s tragedy in it but renewal as well.
I’m afraid you’re right, Anon, and unfortunately I couldn’t disagree more strongly with them. One – James Oglethorpe did want reform, but he didn’t want it the way show Oglethorpe does. Real Oglethorpe, though, had some skeletons in his closet too – he was, for example, the guy that helped to destroy the very first free Black community in North America, Fort Mose. He was the founder of Savannah and outlawed slavery there – maybe he regretted his actions at Mose, I don’t know. I know that the difference between show Oglethorpe and real Oglethorpe is a big one and I know that I’m not fond of the writers’ definition of renewal when it involves allowing two gay men to be enslaved and locked away from the world. That’s not renewal – it’s exile. It’s being told once again that there’s no place for them, that they don’t belong – it’s the same message LGBTQ+ people have been hearing all our lives.
*diff anon* Also, taking in disgraced members of aristocratic families was an additional source of profit, not a main one. I highly doubt there were many of them. Half a dozen at most. It’s not like aristocratic families were staging deaths of their family members on regular basis. Everyone else are convicts from British prisons, so nobody pays for them. And from what we’ve seen it’s a huge plantation with vast sugar cane fields. Lots of work.
diff anon, let’s not forget that Oglethorpe solicits convicts from prisons in England and I do not think anyone pays for them, I am wrong?
You are not wrong, Anon. Oglethorpe does in fact solicit convicts from English prisons – Max says as much. He still might get paid for them, but it would be a much smaller fee given that it would be the English court system essentially thanking him for taking them off their hands and saving them the cost of feeding, housing, and eventually burying them. It’s far more likely, though, that Oglethorpe is essentially buying men from England and transporting them to the New World to work on his farm, and to continue doing that, he’d have to make much more profit than he’d make off the disgraced relatives of the nobility when they actually had someone to dispose of.
Edit: As a related note – there were about a billion crimes that you could be imprisoned for in English law at the time which is to say that their prison system was just as much legalized slavery as the American one is today. Even were those men all convicted murderers, though, no one deserves to be enslaved. Ever.

