list of things that someone who loves james would never do:

ilackallhonour:

bean-about-townn:

bean-about-townn:

• betray him
• put him in chains
• let him go on thinking the love of his life is dead
• tell him it was his fault that everyone he cares about dies
• threaten him with his worst nightmare
• leave the love of his life in a prison so as leverage to keep james there

#here’s a list of things that someone who loves Silver would never do: #remind him that he is a worthless piece of trash who nobody gives a fuck about outside of nassau #ask him to give up the life of a woman he loves for the greater good #lie to him about supporting his plan to save his girlfriend #manipulate him in all possible ways to make him see their point of view #i mean #if we’re going to be critical #let’s not forget that Flinty is just as fucking bad #and then I can’t really see why you would be angry with the one and not the other (via @ilackallhonour)

hi, i assume since you added these tags that you’re actually interested in my reasons? i also disagree with some of the points you’ve made so i’ll take this chance to explain why. 

alright – so ‘remind him that he is a worthless piece of trash who nobody gives a fuck about outside of nassau’ that was back in s2. please remember that at this point, silver was either just about to or already had sold the location of the orca gold to max and jack, betraying not just flint but the whole crew. they were not friends at this point. hence why i didn’t add things like ‘stole the schedule, tried to sell it to jack and vane, succeeded in selling the location to jack and max, etc.’ EDIT: also, i assume you don’t mean to imply that this is equal to silver telling flint that thomas and miranda’s deaths were his fault? bc flint really isn’t wrong when he reminds silver that he wouldn’t matter like he does in nassau anywhere else. but silver is completely wrong in saying that it’s flint’s fault thomas and miranda are dead. one is probably true. the other is a lie. they are not the same. 

‘ask him to give up the life of a woman he loves for the greater good’ – it’s more complicated then that and you know it. also, flint wasn’t asking silver to let madi die. his plan was always to rescue madi in addition to keeping the cache.  and let’s also not forget that madi wanted to give up her life for the greater good. she wanted to give up silver’s life for the greater good. flint was right when he said that ‘it if costs the war to save her, you’ll have lost her already’ 

flint tried to save madi without giving up something that meant more than their lives to both of them. silver… didn’t tell flint that thomas was alive, despite knowing the pain it would have spared him, and didn’t rescue thomas himself, despite knowing exactly where he was for ages. 

‘lie to him about supporting his plan to save his girlfriend’ – so… like silver lied to them both about supporting their war? like silver lied to flint about supporting his plan? 

‘manipulate him in all possible ways to make him see their point of view’ – ??? how??? 

another thing to remember: 

• silver, 4×06: I know what flint is
• flint, 4×08: you are the best of us 

…yeah, those things are totally the same

‘I can’t really see why you would be angry with the one and not the other’ – because silver let flint think that thomas was dead for longer than he had to. because he then put him in chains and sent him to a plantation to work as a slave. because he left thomas to the same fate. because when flint told him about thomas, his reaction was ‘it’s your fault’. i understand that not everyone agrees with me, but this is how i feel. 

Hi, thanks for your reply. I know that Silver’s actions are not pure.

I’m not disagreeing with that. And yes, saying Thomas and Miranda and Gates died because of Flint’s actions is way harsh. But he’s become the way he is because of a traumatic past, same as most of the other characters. Who knows what made him say something so heartless. But it’s easy for me to empathize with him, he’s desperate to stop Flint and Madi because (I believe) he genuinely loves them, and they are the only two people in the entire world who returned his love, perhaps for the first time in his life, and he becomes possessive and selfish and makes bad decisions. I don’t think it’s possible to be completely selfless in any relationship anyway. It’s a delicate balance between people.

And if I think about my own loved ones sacrificing their life for a cause I don’t believe in (because Silver doesn’t believe in the war), I think I would have made similar decisions. Should he be despised for them and the things he said at certain points? Nah, I don’t think so. I think the friendship between Silver and Flint was based on genuine and good things, but ultimately they couldn’t understand each other and lost their balance, but I don’t believe it was just Silver who is to blame for that. Or if there is any blame at all, because they can’t help but to be the way they are. Hey, I get that some things are completely unacceptable and unforgivable to you; I am a soft fool who is quick to let things go 😉

Can I just chime in for a second? 

I can see your point. Really, I can. I can see Silver’s motivations, and I can understand why he thinks that he needs to stop Flint and Madi’s war, even if I don’t agree with that choice. But I think we’ve got a false equivalency problem when we start comparing harsh words/manipulative tactics to one person selling another into slavery. That’s the point at which I, and I think most sane people, draw a line, and I’m pretty sure that if you think about “things you would be willing to do to your loved ones to keep them safe,” you’d draw the line there too, or at least I really, sincerely hope that you would because wow. I’m furthermore pretty sure you can see the difference between “lying to keep someone safe” and “lying about something precisely because you’re already planning on literally selling your best friend.” That’s the point at which it crosses over from a manipulation (still pretty unacceptable in my book since it’s taking away choice) to an outright betrayal, and no, I’m not going to be forgiving Silver for it any time soon (or ever), and this doesn’t even get into the difficulties I experience when I start trying to forgive Silver taking the choice away from not only Madi and Flint but Madi’s people, as well. In short – there’s a big difference here between Flint and Silver manipulating each other and Silver actively betraying Flint by selling him and making it so that he becomes to history exactly what he was afraid of – nothing more than a monster.